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boywithoutasoul
boywithoutasoul
This is why I hate people
I'm an engineer.
I have a degree in Science and a couple of degrees in Engineering.
Granted, I don't do a lot of hard science or real engineering any more.
Most of what I do these days is trouble shooting, problem solving, and project management.
Occasionally I build something to solve a problem, but it's not what I consider real engineering.
I'm often really impressed with what some of my friends in the "soft" sciences are doing (the quotes are important there).
And I'm very proud of the people I know who are doing real engineering.

I went to trivia tonight. I didn't know lots about pop culture. I knew a bit about American presidents. And about English history. And about art history. Our team came third.

I contribute money every year towards science education. I think there needs to be somewhere that I can contribute money towards arts education.

Why don't people know stuff? Why are people so insular about knowledge? Is the American education system really that bad? Are people really that disinterested with understanding about the world and themselves?

A question tonight was "Who said 'If it wasn't for priests, there wouldn't be heretics'?". What a great question. I took a couple of wrong guesses (Martin Luther, Voltaire), but the answer was Thomas Jefferson. Another great thinker (well, Voltaire was great, Luther was simply an important rabble-rouser).

The question is important, both in itself as well as being a defining piece of America (can you say separation of Church and State?).

This post is turning into babbling so I think I shall leave it. As an interesting diversion, here is a questions: Given that my atheism would prevent either thing coming to pass, should I become a teacher or a politician when I become jobless?

Current Mood: drunk drunk

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starkyld From: starkyld Date: February 18th, 2009 06:08 am (UTC) (Link)
I enjoy your babbling.

Atheism really isn't an impediment to teaching, even in the urban south, but getting a credential is a bitch (regardless of what degrees you've got racked up). I'd be applying for high school bio/social science jobs if I could get one, but I either would have to spend a couple of years earning a credential first or would have to enroll in a teaching fellowship and take master's education classes, which would be impossible to juggle along with my current grad program.

Hopefully my current grad program won't be current for much longer...making speedy progress.
boywithoutasoul From: boywithoutasoul Date: February 18th, 2009 02:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah yes, teaching credentials. That would require further investment.

And what about that whole teacher's union thing? Do they have that in the urban south. I hate teacher's unions.

I like onions, though.

Yay for progress!
theinnocence From: theinnocence Date: February 18th, 2009 06:14 am (UTC) (Link)
i would say teacher because america NEEDS good teachers who love learning and love knowledge.

but i know politikin' might make more progress, sadly.

off topic (since you know peeps and might know peeps who know) do you happen to know if any soda drink machines could be purchased for cheap? not brand new....
boywithoutasoul From: boywithoutasoul Date: February 18th, 2009 02:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good points. Hopefully a decision won't be required either way in the next few years.

Vending machine? I'll see what I can do. What town are you living in now?
theinnocence From: theinnocence Date: February 18th, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
dexel, nc near both pepsi and coke bottling plants
theinnocence From: theinnocence Date: February 18th, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
drexel, even
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boywithoutasoul From: boywithoutasoul Date: February 18th, 2009 02:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
It is very depressing.

I shall hunt down Idiocracy.
rorschack From: rorschack Date: February 18th, 2009 12:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
Politician... schools can't afford to hire new teachers right now.
boywithoutasoul From: boywithoutasoul Date: February 18th, 2009 02:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good point.
rorschack From: rorschack Date: February 18th, 2009 04:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
But if you are going to do it here you are going to have to work on your southern accent.
aquaknot From: aquaknot Date: February 18th, 2009 01:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
A prophet.
boywithoutasoul From: boywithoutasoul Date: February 18th, 2009 03:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oooh, I like that.
Doesn't pay particularly well, but then again, neither does teaching.

I still need to catch up with you to talk about (among other things) Berlin. I'm pretty booked up at the moment, but how does Thursday night next week look for you?
montieth From: montieth Date: February 18th, 2009 02:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Want to help arts education? Try http://www.callanwolde.org/.

American education system really that bad

Which system? The one the left keeps pushing on us or the one we used to have before? The touchy feely crap as it were, is ruining the education system. Taking decision making out of the hands of the school board and having the teachers as the motivating force behind education is what's screwing it all up. The standards are not adhered to and the one program that I know of that attached funding to performance has been vilified beyond belief. How about an exit exam for every student in high school? If they cannot read or write then the school system must pay back every cent they received for that student and pay a fine?

Why does this even need to be checked for in the first place? Are there not standards of work or ethics in the schools systems? Why do people not understnad the difference between $.001 and ¢.001?
boywithoutasoul From: boywithoutasoul Date: February 18th, 2009 03:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for the link.

I definitely think that the "touchy feely" education is a travesty. In Victoria (Australia) back in the late 80's they revamped their education system such that you got just as much credit for turning up to class and looking like you were trying as you did for actually doing any work, let along actually learning anything. Needless to say, their standards dropped dramatically.

I strongly feel that teachers (and school systems) should be held responsible for their work (educating people). I think teachers unions are a big problem in this matter, as well as boards that are driven by politics.

I like your concept of an exit exam that essentially passes or fails the school.

And for the record, the NZ education system has its faults, too. It's just that it's not in my face anymore :-)
montieth From: montieth Date: February 18th, 2009 03:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
I definitely think that the "touchy feely" education is a travesty. In Victoria (Australia) back in the late 80's they revamped their education system such that you got just as much credit for turning up to class and looking like you were trying as you did for actually doing any work, let along actually learning anything. Needless to say, their standards dropped dramatically.

No wonder it did. If you stop caring about real standards and treat everyone equal, you're going to fail at the basic task of educating students.

There's no real good way to pay schools based on performance. IF you grade them based on student grades, you'll just have teachers forced to give students higher grades regardless of work. One of the old Goth kids here in Atlanta was working as a teacher for City of Atlanta Schools for a time. She had been ordered NOT to give lower than a D. For a student who never handed in a piece of paper, never cracked a book, never lifted their head off their desk during class, they got a D.

Kinda blows the curve don't it?

I like your concept of an exit exam that essentially passes or fails the school.


It would have to be administered by an independent organization.
orangecone From: orangecone Date: February 18th, 2009 02:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
If things like science were taught to hone critical thinking skills instead of memorize this information for the end of grade testing, perhaps the education system might be a bit more successful. Right now, the kids are just beat over the head with tons of information and not taught how to deal with it.
boywithoutasoul From: boywithoutasoul Date: February 18th, 2009 03:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yep. Very true.
_gothfather_ From: _gothfather_ Date: February 19th, 2009 01:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Ah, but Voltaire had one of the greatest statements of all time: "Common sense is not so common."
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